Note that the Surface Wave / Air Wave delays are identical in both cases, indicating similar distances from the recording device.

When I originally heard this tape, I discarded the "pop" at the -4.2 second mark as just noise on the tape. However, when the Water Board tape (which follows) also had an artifact at the -4.2 second mark, I ran a frequency domain audio spectrogram on the lawyer's dictation tape. The spike corresponding to the pop at the -4.2 second mark is circled. The other event marks were added later. The stripe at the top is electronic noise, possibly from the dictation machine itself.

The Oklahoma Water Board Tape

At the time when the Truck Bomb exploded outside the Murrah Federal Building on April 19th, The Oklahoma Water Board was meeting in a building diagonally across the street. 4.2 seconds prior to the truck bomb blast, a loud "thump" is heard on the tape, just as the speaker finishes the phrase," are four proceedings that I have to..".

On this tape, the speaker pauses after the thump is heard, and just prior to the main blast, if you listen real close, other voices can be heard just starting to speak up.

What does it all mean?

The Seismographic Records from Norman Oklahoma

April 19th: The Bombing of the Murrah Building

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Circled Detail of the Murrah events.

May 23rd: The Sequenced Demolition of the Murrah Building

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Seismographic record of the Murrah Building Demolition

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Detail of the Murrah Demolition. However, note that the 8 second long sequenced demolition of the remainder of the Murrah Building yielded a trace the same length as the original bombing. The first trace, if indeed a single explosion, should be shorter. But it isn't, suggesting that BOTH events consisted of multiple sequenced detonations over several seconds' duration.

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The "Spook" at Elohim City.

Subject:      Carol Howe, Tulsa World article
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Since the following article was published by this
Tulsa OK newspaper, the judge has put a gag
order on the court proceedings and on Carol
Howe.  What does the government want to
suppress?  What don't they want the American
people to see or hear?  I'll tell you what, they
don't want you to know that the government
had prior knowledge about the Oklahoma City
bombing, that's what.

Elohim City Leader Admits He Provided FBI With Information
The Tulsa World  7-2-97
By David Harper World Staff Writer

The revelation comes to light during testimony for
James Viefhaus Jr. and Carol Howe, Tulsans who are
charged with making bomb threats.

Elohim City leader Robert Millar confirmed Tuesday
night that he has responded openly through the
years to any law enforcement officials who had
questions, including representatives of the FBI.

The revelation came in response to testimony from
an FBI agent this week in federal court in Tulsa
that Millar has provided federal authorities with
information.  However, Millar said he objects to
the term "informant" because he thinks that term
implies that he is "running" to law enforcement
officials to tell them things.  He said he does
not initiate contact with law enforcement officers
but does cooperate if they contact him.

Millar said he has talked to the FBI, a local
sheriff and the Drug Enforcement Administration.
He said that although he doesn't remember
providing information to the Bureau of Alcohol,
Tobacco and Firearms, he may have several years
ago.

The agent's disclosure came during consecutive
days of pretrial hearings in the government's
case against former ATF informant Carol Howe
and James Dodson Viefhaus Jr.  Howe and Viefhaus
were charged in March with willfully making a
bomb threat, possessing a nonregistered
destructive device and conspiracy.  The charges
arose in the aftermath of the FBI's learning of
a statement on the couple's answering machine
that 15 U.S. cities would be bombed beginning
Dec. 15, 1996, unless action was taken by
"white warriors" by that date.

Various materials found at the residence Howe
and Viefhaus shared could have been converted
into a bomb, according to the government.  Howe's
attorney, Clark O. Brewster, asserts that many
of the items found at the house had been
collected by Howe as part of her work as an ATF
informant.

Several motions are pending before the court in
the case, which is scheduled to go to trial
July 21.  Brewster called special FBI agent
Pete Rickel to the witness stand Monday.  During
the course of that examination, Rickel said Millar
occasionally provided information to the government.

Rickel did not divulge any specifics about what
Millar allegedly has told the FBI through the
years.  He did say, however, that he i uare
of any information Millar has provided the FBI
about Howe.

Millar, who has been described as a "guru" of the
so-called Christian Identity movement, established
Elohim City in 1973. The compound previously has
(There's that word, compound, again)
been referred to as a white-separatist enclave.

Timothy McVeigh reportedly placed a phone call
to Elohim City just two weeks before he bombed
the Alfred P. Murrah Federal Building on April 19,
1995, killing 168 people and injuring hundreds more.
Howe reportedly has maintained that she warned
the government in advance of the Oklahoma City
bombing by saying that local white separatist
Dennis Mahon and German national Andreas
Strassmeier, who was living at Elohim City, were
casing the Murrah Building and two other buildings.

The government has denied this, saying Howe's
role as an informant ended in March 1995 and
that she told the ATF only that Mahon and
Strassmeier had discussed bombing plans after
Strassmeier had discussed bombing plans after
the Oklahoma City blast occurred.

Howe was subpoenaed to testify in the McVeigh
trial in Denver and even had the electronic
monitoring aspect of her bond on the case here
suspended so she could journey to Colorado.
However, U.S. District Judge Richard P. Matsch
ruled that Howe's testimony would be "irrelevant"
in the case against McVeigh.  One of the motions
currently before the court in the case against
Howe and Viefhaus is a defense request that
Howe's statements to the FBI during the time
the search warrant was served on her home should
be suppressed because she was not read her
Miranda rights.  The government counters that
Howe was not in custody and thus Miranda warnings
were not necessary.  FBI agent Josh Nixon said
Howe actually asked to be taken from the house
she shared with Viefhaus because of the
thesidence when the Tulsa Police Departmentarm
Bomb Squad was called.  An item that initially
was thought to be a pipe bomb turned out not to
be one.  Nixon said Howe told him she was an
ATF informant who went to Elohim City after the
bombing.  FBI agent D.J. Dunlap, who accompanied
Nixon in the Dec. 13, 1996, interview with Howe,
said Howe did not mention to her any ATF
informant activity she had undertaken before the
Oklahoma City bombing, only after the blast.
Dunlap said Howe claimed that she went to Elohim
City shortly after the Oklahoma City bombing as
part of her ATF duties.

Howe's cover as an informant apparently was
blown in May 1996, and she was concerned about
her safety, Dunlap said.  Rickel corroborated
that Howe apparently was fearful about her safety
in May 1996. Rickel, who said his role in the
Murrah Building bombing investigation has been to
cover "leads" and develop an intelligence base on
the militia, said he talked to Howe to ask about
Elohim City. Rickel said Howe did not mention
being an ATF informant before the bombing, but he
admitted that he didn't ask her about such a role
directly.

ATF agent Angela Graham (known at one point as
Angela Finley) said Howe kept tabs on Mahon,
making tapes and collecting materials as part of
her surveillance.  Graham said Howe provided
items such as black gunpowder, shrapnel and green
cannon fuse allegedly obtained from Mahon on a
piecemeal basis but said the objects were
returned by the ATF because "in and of themselves
none of it was illegal. There's nothing illegal
about possession of those items by themselves."

Graham said she did not remember Howe providing
a "joint of pipe" from a storage shed that
belonged to Mahon.  In fact, she said she
couldn't remember anything about Mahon having a
storage shed.

Howe also reportedly related a tale about Mahon
allegedly exploding a "500 pound bomb" under a
car in Michigan several years ago.

Millar said Howe stayed at Elohim City for about
six weeks before the Oklahoma City bombing. He
said he had heard that she might be an informant
of some sort but that he didn't mind because
Howe's reports might "do us some good."

Millar said he was disappointed, though, when he
heard that Howe had tried to entrap some of
Elohim City's younger residents into "something
illegal."  He said he doesn't think tax dollars
should be spent like that.

The indictment against Howe and Viefhaus alleges
that they possessed "Ragnar's Big Book of
Homemade Weapons:  Building and Keeping Your
Arsenal Secure" and a Department of the Army
Technical Manual, "Improvised Munitions Handbook."
Brewster asked Graham if Howe had shown her those
books as part of the large amount of
documentation she apparently turned over during
her surveillance. Graham said she did not recall
those two titles being submitted.

Brewster asked Graham if she had heard about an
alleged February 1995 meeting of federal authorities
concerning Elohim City and whether that meeting
led to Howe's ceasing to visit Elohim City in the
weeks leading to the bombing. Graham said she had
never heard of such a meeting.  Graham added that
Howe's written reports about life in Elohim City
were never verified. Graham said Howe did not
wear a recording wire at Elohim City because of
safety concerns.

Brewster and Viefhaus' attorney, Craig Bryant,
again urged Burrage to toss out the bomb threat
count under a variety of legal theories.  Brewster
said the answering machine message was political
speech that was not a threat but instead was a
description of what was contained in a letter
from a "high-ranking revolutionary commander."
Brewster said the alleged threat was also
contingent on actions of third parties.  He also
pointed out that since Howe's voice was on the
tape, she should not be charged under the
specific language of the federal bomb-threat
statute.

In Denver, Rob Nigh, an attorney for convicted
Oklahoma City bomber Timothy McVeigh, said the
disclosure that Millar had provided the FBI with
information from time to time could affect
McVeigh's appeal.  "It certainly could have an
impact in that we tried to present evidence
concerning Elohim City and threats against the
Murrah Building," Nigh said.  "I can't say
definitively, at this point, what this means to
McVeigh."  "This is the first public indication
that we're aware of that Robert Millar was an
informant for the FBI.  It came from people
other than Tim McVeigh.  There still are a lot
of unanswered questions.  More information
continually comes to light."

Asked if the McVeigh defense knew of Millar's
relationship with the FBI, Nigh replied:  "I'd
rather not say."

Nigh is preparing a motion for a new trial for
McVeigh, who was condemned to death June 13.
Ken Blood, one of the people who petitioned
for a state grand jury to investigate whether
a broader conspiracy was involved in the
Oklahoma City bombing, said that in light of
Tuesday's revelation, he anticipates that
Millar will be a candidate to testify before
the grand jury. He said it will be up to
Oklahoma County District Attorney Bob Macy's
office to call Millar and other people whom
Blood and others who sought the petition think
will prove their asBlood said three to
five FBI informants could be called before
the grand jury if Macy agrees to it.


Nigh is preparing a motion for a new trial for
McVeigh, who was condemned to death June 13.
Ken Blood, one of the people who petitioned
for a state grand jury to investigate whether
a broader conspiracy was involved in the
Oklahoma City bombing, said that in light of
Tuesday's revelation, he anticipates that
Millar will be a candidate to testify before
the grand jury. He said it will be up to
Oklahoma County District Attorney Bob Macy's
office to call Millar and other people whom
Blood and others who sought the petition think
will prove their asBlood said three to
five FBI informants could be called before
the grand jury if Macy agrees to it.

Millar said he would gladly cooperate with
the Oklahoma grand jury, which began meeting
Monday, if he is called.  He said he strongly
opposes violence, except in cases in which
his family might be threatened with attack.
He said he would help authorities if people
at Elohim City were planning violent actions
against the outside world.  "Terrorism doesn't
work," Millar said.  "Violence begets violence.
Anarchy is not good for anyone."

Tulsa World staff writers Julie DelCour and
Brian Ford contributed to this story.

The 5/20 Ambrose Article

International News 
Electronic Telegraph 
Monday May 20 1996

Did agents bungle US terror bomb?

Andrew Gimson in Berlin

ANDREAS Strassmeir lives quietly with his parents in a well-to-do area of West Berlin. His father was once a top aide to German Chancellor Helmut Kohl. His brother is a city councillor. For seven years he served in the German army, at one point doing a tour of duty as a liaison officer with the Welsh Guards.

It is hard to imagine a more unlikely figure to surface in the drama of the 1995 Oklahoma City bombing, the worst act of terrorism ever committed on US soil. But last week an Oklahoma couple, Glenn and Kathy Wilburn, announced that they were going to name Strassmeir, 36, in a lawsuit as a "US federal informant with material knowledge of the bombing". They say that Strassmeir became involved with the far-Right underworld when he lived with the Elohim City "Christian Identity" sect on the Arkansas-Oklahoma border from 1991 to 1995.

The Wilburns lost two grandchildren in the attack on the Alfred Murrah federal building, which killed 168 people including 19 children. After taping more than 300 hours of testimony in their own investigation, they have concluded that the government had prior knowledge of the blast.

They say that the FBI has refused to pursue and arrest a number of suspects seen near the crime scene with Timothy McVeigh, who is said to have been in contact with paramilitary groups in the area and has been charged with the bombing. The Wilburns say the refusal is presumably because the FBI is afraid of exposing the government's negligence. "This was a sting operation that went berserk," said Glenn Wilburn.

The family has accumulated evidence which they claim indicates Strassmeir was an undercover US agent who, while based at Elohim City, penetrated the white separatist movement and alerted the authorities about the impending attack. "Andy did his best, he tried to stop this thing, we're not blaming him for what happened," said Wilburn. "But we're going to sue the US government to break this wide open."

The Wilburns now believe that they have evidence from witnesses that five to seven men were involved in the bombing, and indications that several of these had connections with Elohim City. So far only two people have been charged: McVeigh and Terry Nichols. The FBI now says that nobody else was involved. Strassmeir denies that he was an informant. "I've never worked for any US government agency, and I've not been involved in any intelligence operation since my discharge >from the German army in 1988," he said. "This family [the Wilburns] is on a fishing expedition."

"The FBI asked where I was on the day of the bombing"

The decision to name him in the lawsuit comes after witnesses allegedly identified him at the end of April as one of a number of men seen in Junction City, Kansas, when McVeigh was also there during the days leading up to the bombing. One of the witnesses said she contacted the FBI as soon as she was shown a photograph of Strassmeir by a US news organisation investigating the Oklahoma affair.

Within days, a US Justice Department team questioned Strassmeir, calling him in Berlin on April 30 and again on May 1 to ask about his alleged ties to McVeigh. "The FBI asked where I was on the day of the bombing," he said. "They wanted to help debunk the rumours spread about me." Strassmeir said he was at work near Elohim City at the time of the blast.

In a series of five interviews with The Telegraph he said that he first lived in the US in 1989 because he was planning to work on a special assignment for the US Justice Department. "I discussed the job when I was in Washington. I was hoping to work for the operations section of the DEA [Drug Enforcement Agency]," he explained. "It never worked out."

Vincent Petruskie, a retired US Air Force colonel, said that he helped Strassmeir try to get a job in the DEA and the US Treasury. "We took him under our wing when he first came to the United States, and to be quite honest he's a little immature," he said. "I mean he's a good kid, but he fantasises." In the end, Strassmeir says that he went to Texas and started working as a salesman for a computer company. >From there he seemingly drifted into the sub-culture of the Ku Klux Klan, the Aryan Nations, and the extreme fringes of the Christian Right. In 1991 he went to live in Elohim City, a primitive community of huts, guns and impenetrable theology. He established himself as chief of security and weapons training, he said.

"I met the guy once at a gun show. We spoke for five minutes, that's all"

On April 5 1995 McVeigh - or somebody using his telephone billing card - telephoned Elohim City. It was minutes after McVeigh had reserved the Ryder rental van that was allegedly used to blow up the Oklahoma City building. According to Joan Millar, who answered the telephone, the caller asked to speak to "Andy".

"I don't know why McVeigh was trying to contact me," said Strassmeir. "I met the guy once at a gun show. We spoke for five minutes, that's all. I sold him a US Navy combat knife."

Without identifying himself, McVeigh also called the offices of Strassmeir's American lawyer, Kirk Lyons, for 15 minutes on April 18, 1995, the day before the bombing. He apparently talked about the controversial raid by federal agents on the Branch Davidian compound near Waco, Texas, which resulted in more than 80 deaths, and the need to "send a message to the government".

Strassmeir says that McVeigh never visited Elohim City. But McVeigh was stopped for speeding on October 12 1993, 10 miles from Elohim City, on the road to the compound. Strassmeir says that his four years at Elohim were among the happiest of his life. But it was a curious existence for a man who had once been a lieutenant in the Panzer Grenadiers. He told The Sunday Telegraph that he had received military intelligence training. Part of his work was to detect infiltration by Warsaw Pact agents, he explained, and then feed them disinformation.

He is scathing in his criticism of the ATF - the US Treasury's Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco and Firearms - saying that it did not have the anthropological skills to infiltrate the Christian militias. "The Right-wing in the US is incredibly easy to penetrate if you know how to talk to them," he said. "Of course it's easier for a foreigner with an accent; nobody would ever suspect a German of working for the federal government."

" He was just a weird cookie"

In February 1992 Strassmeir's maroon station wagon was impounded by the Oklahoma highway patrol for a traffic violation. The police found in his briefcase a collection of documents, some of them in German. According to the tow-truck driver, Kenny Pence, Strassmeir soon brought heavy pressure to bear. "Boy, we caught hell over that one," he said. "The phone calls came in from the State Department, the Governor's office, and someone called and said he had diplomatic immunity. He was just a weird cookie."

Strassmeir said the man must have been confused about some of the details. "Some calls did come in to rattle their cage," he said. "Something may have been said about my father's position."

In hours of conversations with The Sunday Telegraph, over several days, Strassmeir remained adamant that he had met McVeigh only once. He also claimed that he had copper-bottomed information about the bombing, but seemed torn over how much he felt able to impart.

"The ATF had an informant inside this operation. They had advance warning and they bungled it," he said. "What they should have done is make an arrest while the bomb was still being made instead of waiting till the last moment for a publicity stunt."

Asked if he thought the alleged informant would ever speak out, he replied with passion: "How can he? What happens if it was a sting operation from the very beginning? What happens if it comes out that the plant was a provocateur? What then? The relatives of the victims are going to go crazy, and he's going to be held responsible for the murder of 168 people? Of course the informant can't come forward. He's scared stiff right now." Before and after this outburst he kept repeating that he was not making veiled references to himself.

Lyons, Strassmeir's lawyer, says that his client has been dragged into the Oklahoma bombing story by McVeigh's defence team. He says the defence tactic is to muddy the waters by sketching a vast conspiracy involving neo-Nazis in Europe and even Middle Eastern terrorists. "I call it the Space Alien Elvis Presley theory, and it's been fuelled by nutcases and conspiracy theorists," he said.

"Andy has been damaged. Anybody who puts out the lie that he was linked to the Oklahoma bombing in any way is going to pay for it."

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